Minutes:
Councillor Calum Watt, Chair of the Community Leadership Scrutiny Committee, introduced the topic of discussion which was an update on the Lincoln Against Poverty Assembly.
The Committee received a collaborative presentation from guest speakers, Charlotte Brooks (Director of Change, LocalMotion Lincoln), Simon Hawking, (Chief Executive, Acts Trust) and Martin Walmsley (Assistant Director - Shared Revenues & Benefits, City of Lincoln Council and North Kesteven District Council). During consideration of the presentation, the following points were noted:
Charlotte Brooks, LocalMotion Lincoln
Charlotte Brooks commenced the presentation with background information on two videos that would be played to the Committee. During consideration of the presentation, the following points were noted:
(The Committee were played the first video which could be found using the following link: Lincoln Poverty Truth Commission - This Work Starts Now - Subtitled)
(The Committee were played the second video which could be found using the following link: Lincoln Against Poverty - sharing, collaborating and celebrating event)
(The Committee were advised that the report entitled ‘Raising Lincoln’s Young Voices 2024’ could be found using the following link: Local-motion-youth-report-24-SCREEN-1.pdf)
Simon Hawking, Chief Executive – Acts Trust
Martin Walmsley (Assistant Director - Shared Revenues & Benefits, City of Lincoln Council and North Kesteven District Council)
(Note: Councillor Clare Smalley left the meeting at this point in proceedings)
The Chair offered thanks for the presentations from all guest speakers and welcomed comments and questions from Members of the Committee. As a result of discussions between Members and speakers, the following points were made: -
Question: There had been many years of bidding wars rather than a focus on where support and intervention was needed. In terms of holding someone to account, what response should be given to people? As Officers of the Council, there was an awful lot of influence and decision making but it was the Councillors that were elected.
Response: Research was due to commence regardingLincoln’s voluntary sector, who was receiving the funding and where the gaps were - it would take approximately 6 months for a deep dive to be undertaken for those questions to be answered. In terms of accountability, if the relationship with people and communities could be rebuilt, a relationship built on trust, there would be less talk of people being held to account. It felt like a power dynamic.
Comment: It was really nice to receive feedback from residents that had been referred for support by Councillors. Thanks were offered to Martin Walmsley and his team.
Question: What roots causes of poverty emerged from the work that had been carried out?
Response: Inequality and a lack of opportunities for people at a young age contributed to the root causes of poverty. Sometimes poverty was caused by childhood trauma, and it seemed difficult to get the early intervention right to stop people falling down a spiral.
Supplementary Response: There were many reasons that contributed to a person experiencing poverty. When a poverty tree was considered, there were roots, branches and the fruits of the tree. The branches demonstrated how the poverty manifested, for example low self-esteem and a withdrawn demeanour. There were many routes that lead to the same issue and the only way to learn, and listen was to have a positive relationship with the individual.
Comment: It was important to note that one life event could change everything for any person. Approximately 50% of the calls received with a request for support, came from individuals within the workplace. Many individuals had a resilience for short-, medium and longer-term poverty and resilience made a big difference.
Comment: As a society and a species, we lived beyond our means and it had a ripple effect much wider than potentially one issue.
Question: How many individuals involved in the event worked and how many did not work? A mechanism of getting out of poverty was to secure a well-paid job.
Response: The stewarding group were aware that many individuals who had jobs were requesting support. The Community Response Matrix looked at projects that supported people that were already in work.
Question: If Central Government planned to cut £6-7B of benefits and people were forced back to work, would that impoverish the aspirations and attitudes of individuals?
Response: Yes, it was a very worrying time.Proposed welfare reforms would push people further into debt and would force individuals to make difficult decisions.
Question: How could the City of Lincoln Council and the voluntary sector locally, balance the immediacy of the need for material support for those most affected?
Response: The Community Response Matrix assisted in the planning of material support for those most affected. The learning and work carried would hopefully create an understanding and awareness of what the needs were. The development of the matrix had been through statistics, talking to people and talking to charities.
Supplementary Response: The Matrix was key to both the decision making and challenging the decision made. Reporting on changing situations was possible.
Comment: It would be useful for Government Ministers to see the work of the Poverty Truth Commission and it was positive to see the work develop over time into a strategy and a matrix. The Council budget was limited however the matrix could be used to guide decision making. Community Leadership Scrutiny Committee was very important in the shaping of the Anti-Poverty strategy. When community centres were set up, it was important that they were welcoming spaces rather than a place for individuals to be triaged for support.
Question: What was next for the Commission?
Response: Many people signed up and were told it would be for 18-24 months. All of the Civic Commissioners in it were compelled and wanted to remain. For approximately 19 months, a participation payment was made for community commissioners for their contributions to be recognised. The official process ended in September, but nobody walked away. If a group of critical friends was to be established, funding would be available for them to be paid in recognition of their contributions.
Comment: An A5 story of poverty truth would be produced and would feel like a story book which would have purpose for some of the themes to be launched. It was hoped it would be ready by Spring.
Question: Could the concerns around Artificial Intelligence (AI) be expanded upon?
Response: Young people experienced a nervousness around AI and digital infrastructure due to an uncertainty of career opportunities in the future.
Comment: The Council were never a transactional service. Trust was built through speaking with customers and money was better spent helping people. The annual business plan which had been recently approved, stated that the Council was not a transactional service.
Response: The Council should offer a holistic service.
The Chair offered his thanks to guest speakers and officers for all the information provided to Committee and for the remarkable work carried out.
RESOLVED that:
(Note: Councillor Rebecca Longbottom, Councillor Anita Pritchard, Charlotte Brooks and Simon Hawking left the meeting at this point in proceedings)