Minutes:
Councillor Calum Watt, Chair of the Community Leadership Scrutiny Committee, opened the meeting with a brief introduction to guest speakers and the topic of discussion which was Assets of Community Value.
The Committee received a presentation from Councillor Neil Murray, Portfolio Holder for Economic Growth, Marianne Langley (Keep the Tap Running), Aaron Joyce (Chair, Campaign for Real Ale) and Steve Renshaw (Secretary, Campaign for Real Ale). During consideration of the presentation, the following points were noted: -
The Chair thanked guest speakers for their work, informative presentation and welcomed comments and questions from the Committee. As a result of the discussions between Members and speakers, the following points were made: -
Question: How many public houses were on the list?
Response: There were two public houses on the list and three assets in total within the City. Knowledge of the ACV regime was not widespread, and assets were listed for only five years.
Comment: A supplementary planning document would support properties in jeopardy.
Comment: Given the breadth of public houses within the City, Members were surprised that there were only two recorded on the list. It would be beneficial for the City of Lincoln Council (CoLC) to promote knowledge of the ACV process. There were a number of public houses such as the Strugglers Inn that were heavily populated and central to the communities that they served.
Comment: It was notoriously difficult to put together an ACV nomination and if knowledge of the process was widespread, it would provide communities the opportunity to register a loved asset, not solely in the instance that the asset faced threat. The landlord of The Joiners Arms nominated the public house because it was a much loved community asset.
Question: Were there any public houses that had been taken over by Community enterprises?
Response: There were no urban community pubs within the East Midlands. Public Houses were individual entities and could not be easily replaced as they served a variety of needs and markets.
Comment: It appeared the LP15 had failed public houses.
Comment: Parish Council’s could nominate their own public houses however in Lincoln, there was a noticeable lack of focus as the role was not present.
Comment: Members praised Marianne Langley for her dedicated work for the ‘Keep the Tap Running’ Campaign. It was noted that the campaign brought the community together and fundraisers were extremely well attended. In addition, local pubs such as The Joiners Arms and The Queen in The West supported the campaign. It was important to ensure ACV’s were more accessible for all communities.
Comment: The legislation was problematic and accessibility as local individuals was complex. The local plan went to inspectors in November 2022 and there was an opportunity last year to be added to the local plan of which dictated all considerations under the NPPF.
Response: The local plan did not offer protection to towns or cities and improvement was necessary.
Comment: The local plan was due to be adopted in April 2023 and it was important to include representation from a community perspective. Officers made a determination based on planning regulations and the Planning Committee made decisions based on communities. It was determined that the Sam Scorer Gallery was not considered an ACV in the absence of written constitution. It may have been the case that the necessity of a written constitution was not a known factor.
Response: It may be useful to have a representative that understood the regime and who could provide advice and guidance through the process.
Comment: The Council employed a Planning Policy Manager. A briefing session for all Members would be beneficial.
Comment: Planning legislation was broad and extensive. It would be useful to understand how the SPD process worked legally and the timetable for adoption to ensure individuals were made aware of the timetable.
Question: What support was there within ACV’s to offer support to businesses to enable rejuvenation?
Response: Given the rise in food prices and deliveries, many pubs had lost their reliance on food sales and revenue. It was important, especially post lockdown, for individuals to have use of a social space.
Comment: Small scale business such as BeerHeadZ located in the Bailgate, benefitted from purchasing beer directly from the brewery. This removed additional add on costs. There were many community led businesses opening across the country that followed this successful model.
Response: The current ownership model was letting pubs down. The rise of independent pubs was phenomenal.
Question: Did the SPD have to go into the local plan?
Response: Clarification would be sought further to the meeting and circulated to Members of the Committee.
Comment: Community spaces had dwindled over the years. Houses in Multiple Occupancy (HMO) contributed to the loss of community assets. Many students resided within the city only for a fixed period of time and often moved on.
Comment: It was refreshing to gain insight from individuals and businesses who had experienced the process first-hand. Constructive criticism was the only way to improve in the future.
Response: The current process was weighted in favour of the owners. When an owner purchased a pub, it was important for them to consider the meaning of the pub to the local community – it was not merely a development opportunity.
Members expressed their gratitude to guest speakers for the information provided within discussions and for their work for Assets of Community Value.
The Chair echoed comments from Members and thanked all guest speakers for their attendance and contributions to discussions.
RESOLVED that: -
1) The Committee make a recommendation to the Executive for the creation of a policy document on Assets of Community Value.
2) A Member briefing be arranged when the policy went to full Council.
3) An individual be nominated, knowledgeable on the policy document contents, to act as a contact for information and clarification when needed.
Note: Councillor Neil Murray left proceedings at this stage.